Emails 2005:
5/23: Some of the following emails will be moved to the Dear Jenelle section soon.
--- Jenelle Rose <jenelle@jenellerose.com> wrote:
> Just wanted to thank you for thinking my site was cool enough to link to. Was checking on the membership of the community site, Beautiful Wonderful Women I have and saw your profile links to my TG site. Hope you and yours have a wonderful, happy holiday season and you my dear, a very good year!
Jenelle
From: Sunbeam
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:51 PM
To: Jenelle Rose
Subject: Re: thank you sweetie!
Dear Jenelle
Thank you very much for your message. I wish you the best in the new year.
That's true, I love your site. I've been following your evolution and am very impressed, specially with the most recent pictures. You look a very natural girl.
For me, visiting your site (and other similar) is a kind of therapy mixed with fantasy. Let me explain. Therapy, because I see that I am not the only "normal" one that loves to cross-dress. Fantasy, because being far from "passable", I don't think I will ever get out the closet, so to say, I can just dream being in "your shoes" or in other TGirl shoes...
What are you personal plans for short and mid term?
(...so I could plan to dream...)
Just one question about Beautiful Wonderful Women: Why don't you allow us to see the members list?
Well, take care of your self and be happy.
Kisses
Samantha
Samantha,
Hi hon.
Sorry for such a long delay in answering your letter. Yours is not the only one. As for my short and long range goals and such, my life is an open book and I have put it all out there for all to see.
I just try to live as best I can, be a good person, try to help whenever and wherever possible, stay with doing the websites I have and so on. I am beginning to move away from doing makeup for film in my area as I have gone as far as I can in the field for film here and it is not really what I want doing film makeup as a career. I am looking to work for a company for steady income and reach out to all those who need support.
Just trying to have a life that is worth living and be the best I can be.
As for the Member's list, it holds down the spam
you would get if I were to let that information out.
Thank you for your letter.
Jenelle Rose
From:
SCOTT
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 3:11 AM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: who is she????
I was surfing and found your website by some turn of event or curosity but i saw the pic of the female in the yellow tank top and jeans at the bottom of the transsexual pic gallery page 2 and wondering who she is. I wouldnt care if she is a transexual, since i have dated a few in the past despite some of the diapproval of some when they found out. well if you can help reply back
I am sorry; I cannot help you at this time. I will see if there is a way I can track that information down for you. I remember her but cannot remember where the pic came from. Please write back if you have not heard from me in a reasonable time. Aren’t they all so lovely?!
Thank you for visiting the site!
From:
SCOTT
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:10 PM
To: Jenelle Rose
Subject: thank you
yes they are all very beutiful. Thank you for replying. I didint know if you knew who she was but figured i would ask.
5/23 Still no luck in finding anything about her who actually appears on two pages, at least.
Jenelle Rose
From: Carlos
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:19 AM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: HI! FROM BRAZIL
Alo!!
My name is Carlos. 41 y.o. - advocate. I live in São Paulo - Brazil.
Excuse-me for my english.
You is a beatifull lady.
I am crazy for you.
Y love you.
1.000.000.000.000.000.000..... KISSES.
CARLOS
Thank you Carlos,
Your English is fine! Glad to have you visit!
Jenelle Rose
From:
Pamila
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 3:56 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: pictures
Hi there
those were some wondeful pics on that site
sincerely
keith
Thanks Keith!
Jenelle Rose 
From:
Joann
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 9:01 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: Hello
Hello Jenelle,
I saw your site and have to say its beautiful. I was wondering where are you
from. I'm a TG from NNJ and would love to meet GG like you did on your photo
page.
Joanne
Hi Joanne,
Thank you very much. What photo exactly, as there are several GG’s throughout the web site or what page?
I am currently in Ohio but have lived in New York, Washington DC and California among others. I have a personals section that you may want to try, otherwise try mainstream personals as a woman looking for a woman or those that feature an area for either GG’s or TG’s looking to meet would help you. I have done it all, including my favorite-just go about your life, have a good time and when you are NOT looking, she will find YOU.
This site gets a lot of GG’s; always has. I had a site specifically for GG’s at one time but closed it years ago to focus on this site and a few others I maintain for other subject matter.
I will post some sites that allow interaction between the two genders shortly. Stay tuned!
Thanks for writing,
Good luck!
Jenelle
Rose
From:
Bryan
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:24 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: I love your site
Jenelle,
I am a heterosexual who enjoys high drag. I am not convincing enough to go out in public, but I look pretty damn good on film and video. Despite my age, which I won’t reveal, I look about 35-40 in drag. I am talking showgirl type stuff. I use a suction pump to enlarge my lips and tape to pull back my face. I also use big hair, prosthetic breasts, boots, etc.. I find doing this very exciting.
I think you look great! Good for you for doing what feels right. I am going to do some mild hormone therapy soon, more for the excitement of doing it than the results I expect - there is no way I can go all the way to being a female as my shoulders are too big, my head too, and I have short legs. I would not make for a very convincing woman except in the show-girl slut manner I have developed at a distance of twenty feet. But you do what you can that feels good. My skill at makeup is quite good – having been a photographer I understand shading. I use taping, prosthetics and surgical adhesive to achieve a pretty remarkable look.
I thought your article on makeup, etc. was great. You are a heroine. Send me back a note if you like. OK if you don’t. I’m doing myself up right now, so I have to go. Best thoughts.
Thanks for a lovely note! I have a few comments I would like to make. I don’t think it is impossible for anyone to be a woman; it is all a state of mind and it’s about confidence as much as anything. Some women have some of the same features you have.
Sounds like you could write an article about how to do stage makeup and with your expertise in shading; I think it would be quite interesting. Care to write one for the Jenellerose web site? I would be most appreciative and am sure many would benefit from it. There is a segment that would be interested and I have always wondered, as in a curiosity, how the drag queen look was done anyway. There could be tips you know we all could use!
Jenelle Rose
From:
Kitty Foxx
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 2:43 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: hi
i just looked at your site, it was absolutely wonderful, keep up the good work,
hugs and kisses,
kitty.
Thanks Kitty. Will do. It is fun!
Jenelle
Rose
From:
koos
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 2:33 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject:
hi jenelle, i have seen your webpage and i like it very much, i think you are a very beautiful woman and i envy your courage to become of what you are today, i wish i had only half of your courage cause i share the same feeling, but i already know that i can never do cause the people around me will never except me the way i would like to be, but your webpage helped me a lot already cause nobody can take a look inside your dreams right, thanks a lot, koos
Thanks so much Koos, that says a lot.
Jenelle Rose
From:
nanosio
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:07 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: disgusting
This sight is disgusting! It will never be excepting in society. I live with one and it's sick and mental.
Thank you for writing. I am all for diversity! It’s what makes the world interesting.
Many people living there own lives and in their own way.
Please don’t criticize what you know nothing about. It is not a mental thing at all and you can learn much by perusing the Jenellerose web site. I hope you do so with an open mind and you will discover many interesting things that could have rewards for you too besides a deeper understanding of what it means to be Transgendered. .
Take care. Live long and prosper,
Jenelle Rose
From:
Dan
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Jenelle Rose
Subject: Tuesday am...
OK It's been a while, how are you doing these days? How is the soreness? Things healing the way they should?
Write when you get the chance, I'm still here.
Dan.
Dan,
Thank you Dan for staying with me during some very trying times. You have always been there when I needed a friend and very much appreciate it!
Jenelle Rose
From:
CDmale
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:33 AM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: register
Jenelle,
You are one fine looking woman.
I came across your web site surfing the web and book marked it so that I can return.
Being from Northern Kentucky and living just south of Louisville, Kentucky I can say I admire you for going out dressed as the woman you felt that you are and finding employment as a woman.
I wish I could find the encouragement to do it, when ever I am home I try to spend all of my time in something feminine or at least keep nail polish on my toenails.
Sharon
Thanks Sharon!
LOL, sounds me in the old days! Now I dress because I AM a woman full time! It’s funny b/c now I wear pants more often, less make up and hardly color my hand nails. That is not to say I do not paint my toes (I do) and I am obsessive about my fingernails in that they look very good natural without color, still love to wear dresses or a skirt when possible but pants are usually more practical and HAVE to wear mascara and light make up around my eyes and lips no matter where I go!
I am mostly an entrepreneur and find work everywhere doing many different types of things. Still not working for a company on a permanent basis but would like to for the security.
You have to come to Cincinnati sometime, perhaps we can meet and hang out as girls. Your comfort level or boldness will increase with time!
Jenelle Rose
From:
Wantina
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:37 PM
To: Jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: HOUR GLASS FIGURE ----ASAP
Hey Jenelle,
I am a female who is in search of what I can take (hormones) to develop the classic hour glass figure. I know that transsexual males have the insight on it already. I need to get into the loop ASAP. Please let me know what doctors can help me, what treatments are out there for women, and if a basic estrogen pill is sufficient. Give me any information that you have. Please feel free to share the question with whoever can assist me.
Thanks.
Hi,
At the time of your letters’ arrival in my mailbox, I was researching your question for myself and still am, as I would love to have an hourglass figure. I too, have thought about writing transsexuals for the answer because I see pictures of them with an amazing shape!
I believe that is one of the most sought after body changes I am after at this time. I had checked into several methods for myself such as asking my plastic surgery doctors about removing anywhere from one to three ribs, which I decided against, had Liposuction done and had the thought of moving some of that fat to my hips area (bumpy and temporary), have also exercised and dieted.
To this point nothing worked. While the hormones have drastically changed my body to being much more feminine in nature such as full B cup breasts, the navel in relation to my waist and a definite hint of an hourglass, it is no where near the ideal of a .7 to .8 waist to hip ratio that is considered most attractive.
I still exercise to lose calories and build muscle which burns more calories and also raises metabolism. I do whatever is in my control. Some of the things mentioned above will get me there eventually but I do not know at this time what you or I could do to reach our goal any more quickly. Perhaps a hip implant of the sort they used for my cheeks would do the trick, if there is such a thing and I would think there is. It would be a hard plastic shaved and contoured insert in looks and give that extra boost we so seek! I will keep investigating and keep you abreast of my findings!
As for hormones, you didn't mention your age or to many specifics about yourself. Many women, get on a HRT program both during after menopause to help with things like hot flashes. A .5 mg Vivelle DOt patch would be wjhat they would use and rotate twice/week. Additional hormones for anyone is a big risk and you should get with a family doctor or OB-GYN for their advice and supervision.
At this time, I know of no quick fixes for either of us but I will not give up trying to find something that works! I know some TS's get Silicone injections but I believe that this is very dangerous and not recommended and you should not sacrifice your life and health on doing such things.
I hope you stay in touch with me and the web site, Jenellerose.com. Perhaps we will find the answer together or something that works that we can share. I am on a quest and have this as a very high goal. I have not been on hormones long enough for all of the changes to take place that are going to thru fat redistribution to my hips, butt and so on.
I have to be as thin as possible, as a genetic male with narrow hips to achieve the goal. You certainly should have an edge on me. Ironically, females with wide hips would rather not have them and wide hips is a sign of fertility, hence adding to women's attractiveness to males!
Stay in touch! And good luck to you.
Jenelle Rose
From:
SByrd
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:41 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: your very attractive..
LOL I'd actually screw you.....great tutorial on make up..though congrates...
Thanks hon. I am always going to be adding more as it is simple in many aspects, there are many variations, looks, styles and so much you can do and is almost boundless. As for the other comment, I take that as a compliment as I am sure you meant it to be. Means I am on track and doing the right things.
Jenelle
Rose
From:
Victor
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:59 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: you
you so hot
Thank you. Thanks for writing!
Jenelle Rose
From:
Otbdan72
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 1:23 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: julie a crossdresser
i love to dress like a woman right now i'm wearing ladys pantys and a bra . will you help me be a full time woman
Well you came to the right place. Look around the Jenellerose web site and you will find everything you need. I started by wearing just a bra and panties too and look where I am 8 years later, lol !
Thanks for writing!
Jenelle Rose
From:
nilu manisha
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:58 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: crossdressing
Hai!
I saw your photos in your website.You're very Beautifull girl.I love your photos verymuch.I'm also like to be a woman.Please if you like Please reply me.
Nilu
Hi Nilu,
Thank you very much for your writing and kind comments. I try to reply to everyone but sometimes I am a bit of a lager. Please excuse my tardiness in making a reply. As for becoming a woman, I am sure you will find most anything you need to know from my web site and the links that take you to others perhaps with more detail in areas of your interest. I try to provide everything for you that you might need right here. Take a look around the web site and see if it does not answer most of your questions. Let me know where it is lacking or any ideas you have.
Thank you,
Jenelle Rose
From:
nilu manisha
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:03 AM
To: Jenelle Rose
Subject: RE: crossdressing
Hai Rose,
I saw your pictures again .you seem to be a real woman.I also like to be a girl like you.As a first step I buy the panties.Now i have 10 panties.TRherefore please can you tell me about your panty experience.I think I can take any help from your e-mail
Loving ,GIRL Nilu
Again thank you for the compliments Nilu. I take your comment/question seriously as that is what this web site is all about, finding answers to what makes us the way we are and providing guidance, insight and hope along the way. We are all quite different when it comes to why we do what we do.
Personally, my only rush when I first donned a pair of panties, the first article of feminine clothing I ever tried on, didn't give me such a sexual charge as much as a feeling of being closer to my fem spirit. That is not to say there wasn't an erotic feeling, just that it was overwhelmed by the fact that I was wearing something feminine and a light bulb went on inside my being that this was meant to be. I have traveled far from that day and can only hope you find your way, the way which works for you.
As advice,
stay away from certain types of women's panties as being impractical, too narrow
or uncomfortable for us. Examples: If you wear the latest lacy boy-short types,
you fall out and will be very uncomfortable, even if you love the look. Anything
that is open weave such as lace or even nylons are not comfortable as all day
wear. Then again, if you are just wearing these things as erotica and the time
spent in them is short and you are not looking for practicality, go it! Just
wait for sales and shop around. What costs $10 to $20 or more a pair at one
place can be found for less than $3.00 probably elsewhere.
Jenelle Rose
From: Grace Diane
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 2:33 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: Wonderful site
Dear Jenelle,
Hi! Its so wonderful to come across you and your terrific website. You have certainly become a lovely
woman. Your life story is very touching. The site is entertaining and at the same time informative.
I am Diane Grace from Los Angeles, and like you I am a crossdresser who just loves women and the beauty they possess and represent. A man simply has no appeal for me.
I stand 5'5" and weight 122 lbs. My measurements are 34B-27-35. I am of Asian origin and so I am lucky to
have a very small frame. Your story as a CD that loves the beauty of women is an inspiration for me and I would certainly like to hear more from you. What you have done to live out your dream is quite a feat.
I have recently started on moderate doses of Estradiol (1 mg/day for now). If you have the time to spare, I
would be appreciative of your observations and advice on the effects of the different dosages of these
hormones. I do not wish to completely cease all my male functions.
I hope you like my photo.
Take care.
Hugs,
Diane
Diane,
Thank you for the very nice comments and compliments. I like letters like yours, lol.
Your picture shows a very beautiful woman and I certainly envy your size(s) and the fact that you live in California where it is sunny and warm most of the year and being around Hollywood and beaches; I would like to be in your shoes!
I think I answer this question frequently so I need to write an article using this that I am about to tell you and put it up in the Transsexual Advice section of the Jenellerose web site.
For now, on a personal note I take .1 mg of Estrodiol through the application of two Vivelle Dot patches twice a week rotated on my abdomen. This is a very efficient means to get the hormones into the system with minimal side effects and it travels thru the liver only once rather than twice as it does for the other methods. In my case, starting out with just one patch to get my body used to he estrogen and to watch for any ill effects and know that I had doctor supervision, as anyone should along with blood tests taken to get a base and since as a precaution, my breasts grew to an A cup in about 3 months or so.
Doubling the dosage at that point by using two patches at a time, twice a week, I went to a B cup in the next three months and have remained there ever since, even after taking 100 mg of Spironolactone for the last 11 months which has just doubled to 200 mg this past week.
Understand I was a nymphomaniac of sorts, had a few intimate relationships just prior since my divorce two years ago and never had a problem before I started taking hormones. I thought about sex most all of the time and sometimes masturbated several times an evening into the wee hours of the morning. I couldn't get enough. Even with women I would go all night!
Never was the time that I had trouble getting an erection.
That changed and the ability to have penetrative intercourse with a woman was harder after those first several months and proceeded to get harder ever. At about 16 months I was also dealing with the effects of many surgeries. I could masturbate and reach climax, diminishing intensity over the long haul and with no ejaculation, which I did not mind, but could not get a hard on.
Six months later, I received a prescription to Viagra and once again could have sex on a normal, regular basis with full penetration. I do not receive the intense orgasms of before and have to sometimes be turned on to be interested in having sex, even though the desire is still there, it is mostly out of habit, I believe.
A lot of this is in the mind and it is not the Spiro that makes you go limp, it is the Estrogen. You cannot have it both ways when taking hormones. With the doubling of the Spiro, I hope to get back on track and my breasts will continue to grow. The doctor thinks it is possible I could reach a C cup even though the normal for males is an A. Spiro affects primarily surface tissue and that includes body hair, oil on the face and the breast growth among other things of that nature.
Hope this helps. Good luck and continue to write!
Jenelle Rose
From: Grace Diane
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:09 PM
To: Jenelle Rose
Subject: RE: Wonderful site
Dear Jenelle,
Hi. Thank you for your response and advice. I am glad that you like my photo. I have another one
here.
You can also see another photo in the Snapshot contest
(May 2005) in - http://www.castlesupplys.com
I also have a small webpage that I made some time ago.
Its does need to be updated.
http://www.geocities.com/grace_diane2001/Diane_Grace.html
I have been taking 1 mg of Estrofem every day for about 2 months now. I take it sublingually in order
to avoid the liver. I have not yet taken Spiro although I have acquired them already. I will probably
start on a low dosage of 25 mg a day and observe the effects and possibly increase to 50 mg a day.
The estradiol dosage is actually quite low because the recommended dosage of Estrofem for TGs is 4 mg per
day. But I am not rushing all these and and observing how the hormones affect me. Perhaps adding Spiro will help
Like you, I had so much libido before. These days, it has slightly decreased. I estimate roughly at about
20-25%. My hormone dosage is still low and so the effect is not too pronounced.
You mentioned that it is not really the Spiro but the estradiol that makes one go limp. That is curious
because I had the belief all along that it was mainly Spiro that caused that.
I am aware of course a high level of hormones will certainly cause that result eventually.
Does your special personality ever pose a problem with the genetic women you meet including those that you
have have relationships with these days? I would not be surprised if most women are uncomfortable by
cosnidering themselves as some kind of lesbian.
Take care and I wish all happines for you.
Hugs,
Diane
You're welcome. You are a pretty lady hon.
I did get it wrong about my Estrodiol dosage. I take two .1 mg Vivelle Dot patches at a time and rotate those twice/week. It is the strongest they make but is very efficient and equal to much higher dosages of Estrogen taken by other means.
I had thought it was the Spiro that made me go limp as do other ladies sat a TS meeting I go to but my doctor just this week, the best in the business and treats about 99% of us, said it is the Estrogen indeed.
At this same TS meeting, one girl took 50 mg of Spiro as her dosage before her SRS almost a year ago. I started on 100 mg and it has just been increased to 200 mg this week. Most take 9n the range of 100-300 mg. Spiro retains Potassium and water so therefore you should not eat Bananas .
I will add your link to my favorites page of links and your pictures with your letter in the Emails section of the Jenellerose web site.
As for women, I had interest in any woman before but everyone assumes that you are gay and/or going to have reassignment surgery. No matter, all women think of you as a woman, at least to your face and yes, that would make them a lesbian if there was interest in a relationship.
I didn't understand the ramifications of this until very recently. I had been on personals advertising myself as a male looking for a female and had posted at the beginning both male and female versions of myself and then changed that to female only. I got very little interest and those who wrote said good luck, I wasn't their type or they admired my courage. Those most interested were in another city far away.
Once I changed my listing to one of woman for woman, women were beating down the door! I had plenty of interest and in fact have been with a lesbian now these last 6 months. She had never been with a man before, is not at all attracted to men and thinks of me as 90% woman. I get ma'amed all the time wherever I go, even on the phone and think more and more of myself, as a woman.
I think personally you should follow the Dr. Benjamin Standards of Care or at the very least get doctor supervision for the hormones and certainly blood tests.
Best wishes,
Jenelle Rose
From: Grace Diane
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:45 PM
To: Jenelle Rose
Subject: RE: Wonderful site
Jenelle,
Hi again. Thank you for your compliment.
Here is another photo of me dressed in a pink suit.
I agree that it is mainly the Estrogen that makes one go limp but no doubt Spiro contributes to that too. I will start on 25 mg of Spiro and observe the results.
I have read of accounts of TGs who "cycle" their hormones. They take hormones until they attain the desired results and stop when they start to go limp. Then they start taking it again. This may be quite tricky to do.
The recommended dosage for TGs is 4 mg of Estrofem a day. (I only take 1.0 mg/day). I don't know how that compares to your dosage of 0.1 mg Vivelle Dot but I think I may have read somewhere that this is the recommended HRT dosage for TGs. I am glad that you found a woman who was accepting of your special quality.
Take care.
Hugs,
Diane
Diane,
I had always thought and was told by other TS's that Spiro or Anti-Androgens make you impotent; makes sense. At my last doctor's visit with the renowned Endocrinologist in this region, I was informed otherwise to that very question.
I have been told by others that hormones affected their libido within 3 months of starting but in my own case, I was on Estrogen for 18 months and combined that with Spiro for the next 8 months or more at 100mg/day before I was left with what most men get just from growing older. I am now on 200mg and like the course I am on very much. Spiro effects the secondary glands-hair, oil, etc.
This same doctor told me when I first started seeing him and taking hormones as I asked for a balanced treatment that it was an either/or, you can't have both. I told him then I preferred to be a woman if given the choice but always maintained I was not interested in surgery as I liked being inside the vagina. We maintain that balance to this day though my hormonal balance is, I am sure, very one sided on the female as my last blood test, August, 2004 showed low Testosterone, even then.
I don't believe you can cycle through hormones. At 6 months the changes are irreversible and you shouldn't even start unless you are sure that you are on the right path for you and not taking them b/c of peer pressure, running away from something or any other reason than to be a woman full-time. There are some very serious consequences.
As to comparing hormones, given the different ways we take them, I don't think you can compare dosages. Transdermal patches are the most efficient means of getting female hormones into the system and a whole lot safer. It takes far less while making great changes to the body and in different ways than other forms such as shots or pills. Some of the ways and types of hormones TS's use make for some odd looking breasts-mounds on mounds that they may end up getting surgery to correct. Everybody responds differently.
I don't know where you got your information from on what formula TG's use regarding dosages. Everyone is different and there are many variables. I know of TGs's through their own experience, talk about or recommend certain numbers/dosages but you really should get a doctor's supervision and medical care.
Taking hormones can be very dangerous. You can suffer stroke, kidney failure, and other major ill-effects.
Please follow the Dr Benjamin "Standards of Care". You are only hurting yourself and a chance at a successful transition if you do not.
Thanks for writing,
Jenelle Rose
From:
Danielle La Belle
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 2:36 PM
To: Jenelle Rose
Subject: A Danielle Marie La Belle re-do for you
Hi Jenelle:
I am the editor for the search engine http://www.dmoz.org in the "Transgendered" section of this Nationally recognized public search engine. Phew!
I was reviewing sites and of course I have yours listed as a "cool site" with us. I am permitted each year to review and reassign the "cool site" award to someone in the present listings under the particular sub-category. Your site continues to be worthy of this recognition!
BTW, I think of myself as a rather amateur photographer/digital artist using Adobe Photoshop 6.0 and their sister program Adobe PhotodeluxeHome.
To make this short, I hijacked your photo so that I could do something special for you. All rights remain yours of course. I do not misuse anyone's copyrighted photos ever. I just like to do a little work on them and return the copy to them for their observations and comments.
Your photo and the work that you have done is nothing short of fantastic girlfriend! I am 56 so it is pretty much past my time for such things, but you, WOW, what an incredible look you have. I know of your history and the difficulties that you have endured via you writing to me on occasion and my reading of your web pages.
So, here is a little something to make your day. My class of 18 students in gender studies and general psychology had five (5) photos on a paste board to choose from. The assignment was to find the real women on the board (FAB)"Female at birth." All 18 picked out your photo as {FAB}!!!!!!! 100% confidence factor. No one is told different. There is no grade or right or wrong. I think that you should be extremely proud of yourself, I know that I am!
I trust that you will find my work flattering and accept it for the very reason that I enjoy doing this type of work for others.
Photo 1 - adjusted.
Photo 2 - adjusted and painted...
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W O W! No, DBL WOW!
This photo made me go looking for my Wal-Mart scalpel set. A little trim here and there, nah, not going to ever happen for me!
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Watercolor style composition.
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Hugs
Danielle Marie
Danielle,
Hi sweetie; always a pleasure to have your letters arrive in my mail box!
Appreciative of your efforts, enthusiasm and all that you to do for the Jenellerose web site, it deserves recognition for it’s usefulness and continued help to others. I find it interesting how it done so in ways I never would have suspected and on so many levels.
About the picture you offer with retouching, I am not a fan of any one retouching their photos in a web site such as mine, feeling it is better to give the audience the way I truly look and allow for others to follow my progress and how it may help them in their quest on their own journey into womanhood.
Having said that, I am a bit concerned that you have taken one of my photos, and if I am to understand correctly, had others see such manipulations of my likeness. No matter how well intentioned you think it was, I would prefer manipulations of this sort just for your own eyes only, while at the same time thank you for being honest, open and forthright with me about it. I am never sure how my pictures get used throughout the world.
I have heard from others who have done similar experiments with people they work with or in other situations. They take a photo and hang it on a wall in a well trafficked area and ask if I am a real woman or what they think of my legs, etc. with the same results! I am truly amazed.
You didn’t mention what grade your students were in or give an idea of their age. That would be nice to know. I get recognized wherever I go, not just from this web site but I am high profile here in my area and many think or believe I am a real woman, albeit a tall one, all the time!
Of course most cross dressers or even TS’s trying to have a normal women’s life would not like to have such recognition, I do not mind it at all. I know I am helping many, people including SO’s, and everyone in the TG community which is just like I want it and that makes it all worthwhile.
Thank you for your continued support. Good luck to you and in everything you do.
Jenelle
Rose
From:
Danielle La Belle
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 4:35 PM
To: Jenelle Rose
Subject: Re: Your recent Email
Hi Jenelle:
It was nice to hear from you as always. Let me answer a question or two from the your last post.
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The students in this particular "Gender Studies" class ranged from 18 - 55. The class, a "continuing education" class designed to provide social interaction with the community and to further one's personal desire to become better informed about gender diversity. No college credit is attached to such a formulae so, there really are no strict tests Performa or grade offered.
This class is offered each semester in the "continuing education" section of the Central Florida University community outreach programs. Often I will post on a class board several photos of different people with only typical non-TG people. That is, they represent the general majority as we know it. Other times, for that class, I will mix things up to see if anyone can detect a change. The photos are removed after the class and never used again in that order. None are left lying about etc. All go home with me.....
Frankly, I was so absolutely amazed at your transition that I could not resist offering the changes as it is an "art" form that I truly enjoy engaging in. I take things one step further by applying "Geometrics" and "Biometrics" science, an up and coming scientific process begun in the Law Enforcement community to help identify victims that had since deteriorated beyond physical recognition. Often highlighted on television shows involving law enforcement oriented programs such as "Law and Order" and "CSI." Their software is in the $100,000 and up range loaned to them for the television show of course. I on the other hand, use Adobe Photoshop ($700.00) and Adobe PS sister "Photodeluxe ($69.00). Couple them with my own "math" program to help define characteristics of the male/female form in different races, apply the results and tada, your photo comes out altered. Not just altered Jenelle but adjusted to scientifically recognized attributes. That is what amazed me! How well you fit into the formulae.
So forgive my enthusiasm, I work with different individuals that have me provide for "art" sake, an altered photo, turned into graphic art. For me this is more than just a hobby. I see the "what if" etc of our physical form. Add or remove light, change shadow, and our physical representation transforms. You are in a space suit. You live on planet earth for the time being. Without your space suit we could not see you etc. That is all you body is needed for. Self identification. A spirit having a physical experience for about 100 years. After that, any one's guess I suppose. Infinity is a very long time compared to just 100 years. I trust that I am not talking in circles on this.
TG people question their motive for the mirrors and the photos. Social scientists have known for 75 years or more that people have a need to identify with themselves. TG or otherwise. It is a natural attribute of the physical human. My grand-daughter, age 9, likes to dance in front of a mirror. My grand-son, age 6, likes to beat up his teddy bear in front of the same mirror to see how he looks. He currently identifies with "Walker - Texas Ranger," and likes to kick anything that moves, a typical 6 year old boy.
Never the less, the full length mirror plays an important role in their lives as it does in ours. People you see when walking past them in the mall etc, reflect on our humanity and so we are all people watchers at some level. We make small mental snapshots of everyone and make a quick comparison to what they are wearing, how they look etc. This is perhaps a bad comparison but dogs sniff other dogs and cats sniff other cats etc, for similar reasons at their level. To determine mostly a friendly nature or not. We too, determine this by peoples movements, their posture etc.
I am not complicated really. I just pay attention to people paying attention to other people. Ha ha LOL. My interest extends into how we function not just as a culture but, as humans on a basic level. Always something new to observe and learn. 100 years is really a very short time indeed!
Hugs
Dr. Danielle Marie LaBelle, Ph.D.
Danielle,
Thanks for filling me in on the students ages though you completely missed my point as to the use of my photos.
I have no problem whatever as to who knows about me as your letter seems to suggest. I am certainly not in any kind of stealth mode. I was saying rather that I did not want people seeing my pictures in anyway other than what is really there, other than for your own personal usage. My pictures are copyrighted by me and you are or very close to, overstepping my permission in their use.
Your letter is quite long and provides much more detail than anyone needs to know. I have the same image tools and a lot more and I am a high end graphics artist professional, not an amateur but prefer to let reality speak for itself. I may at some point do some airbrushed versions of my images but they will be labeled as such and be posted to the site as so. I often wonder what I would look like “perfected" as they do for models and celebrities on the covers of national magazines.
Regardless if the "mathematics" you used, bottom line, I prefer the originals and most certainly retain control. Like a professional musician covering a song, if you can’t do it better, don’t do it all.
I am not trying to offend you in any way, nor am I offended. I am honored and very pleased you like.. I have a great deal of respect for you and some of this you will read and taken differently by you than my intent, own voice or meaning. I am simply stating a position and my preferences in hopes that you understand where I was coming from in my original reply.
Thank you!
Jenelle Rose
From:
Danielle La Belle
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 12:16 PM
To: Jenelle Rose
Subject: Okay
Hi Jenelle:
Thank you. I understand your desire to be "just you." Email leaves out the eyes, the posture, the other cues that we all use to communicate various feelings. Thank you.
For what it is worth, I recently was at a web site that has protected the photos from use through "Windows" controls if you should decide that you want to reduce the likelihood of your photos being misused. I do not know how they applied this area of "Windows" but, it prevents the use of the copy command and several others. I have deleted any digital photo copies and shredded all paper ones.
Hugs
Danielle Marie
Danielle,
I still feel like there is a great misunderstanding. I am not worried about saving my images from personal use, whatever that may be or hiding myself from the world.
I am just trying to let people who have never seen me, know the real me and not some fake or manipulated photo. I have all of the original images, no one has those. What are on the web are smaller representatives of the originals, not as good in many ways.
I know various means of protecting my photos from downloading; I just don’t feel it is necessary.
I am a woman 24/7, pass more and more and really don’t think imaging tricks are necessary, nor are they wanted. I have nothing to hide and am not shying away from the public eye at all. I am in credits of many films as an actress and/or make up artist that get shown around the world and on other (client) web sites as the web designer or graphic artist.
I don’t care if you hang a picture in your cafeteria at school or at work! Just have it be me, not retouched and do not try to make money from them. Always ask for my written permission first!
You can keep whatever pix you like, manipulate them in anyway to your hearts content, as long as you and I are the only ones who see the results, without my permission otherwise specifically.
My web site has always said (on the Photos page):
http://jenellerose.com/photo.html
Copyright Notice: All Photographs and Text on this site are Copyright © by Jenelle Rose or by the respective site/page owners referenced or hyper linked to by this site. Reproduction in any form is strictly prohibited without the written consent of the copyright owners. Commercial use is not allowed and will be prosecuted. Note: This does not mean that you cannot copy and print any materials here for your own private and personal use. Please do!
Thanks for trying to understand. I hope we are on common ground now.
Have fun!
Jenelle
Rose
From: stella
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 AM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: advice
I have just started on premarine 1.25 twice a day about a week ago. Can you tell me to what to expect? How long until I can't stop? Your site is the best I have found on the mental effects of estrogen on males. What are the first signs? Thank you very much!!!
Thank you for your comments.
Wow! You know I have a section on hormones, right? It is in the Transsexual Advice section. Personally I do not know much about Premarin. I wouldn't take it because I have seen TS's who have gotten the double mound effect to their breasts and it is not a natural hormone in the human body as it comes from horse urine.
I prefer Estrogen in one of the three forms of pills, shots or transdermal patches, the last my method of choice with minimal ill effects and in fact recommended for those who smoke, are older or have concerns about this stuff going thru the system twice which it does with all but this way.
The effects would be totally dependant on the person taking the hormones. You have to factor body size, genetics and other considerations. Most males grow to under a natural cup size of genetic woman and that usually means an A for you. They say you can get a decent idea from looking at your mother or sisters. My daughter at 17 is quite large and I am a B and still growing. I have no idea how large my mother was and have no sisters.
As to how long, I presume you mean the effects of Estrogen when it starts to make changes but also there is the consideration of the point of no return as you may also be alluding to that I can fill you in as well as on some of what to expect in other regards. To do this I am putting my reply as an article I am writing and will have on the Jenellerose web site under the section Transsexual Advice. Look for my answers there but feel free if there are any other questions, about anything that you do not find perusing the web site.
Thank you,
Jenelle Rose
From: Mona
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:20 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: (no subject)
God blessed you. You have a very interesting and beautiful pages. Keep the good work.
Thank you so much! Glad you like and hope you found what you were looking for and continue to visit often!
Jenelle
Rose
From: tbiss
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:10 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: Clevage Help
Jenelle,
Hi my name is Tom but i go by Tammy when im dressed in femme and my question is
for you:
I Purchased a Diva Clevage creator and it says to use make
up to make the cleavage more belevable and all i have is this for makeup to use
and cant afford to get anymore than what i have NYC Translucent Face Powder, Two
types of three blushes from The Color Workshop one has kinda of a flesh tone to
it, then four types of Eyeshadow in differnet sorts also From the Color workshop
one is like a dark purple no blacks, Perfecting Makeup Lightweight Formula From
Cover Girl and NYC Cover Stick Natural, so my question is what should i use to
help me create better cleavage thats beleviable when i wear my 38D forms and
bra?
thanks,
Tom (Tammy)
Tammy,
I have several comments to make in answering your question and helping you out.
You may have what you need in the shadows you have or even a blush. The Perfecting makeup from Cover Girl will also be used.
Here is what I would do to create cleavage.
First, I question two things. The first is whether a 38D size breast is too large to be believable and to note that you can get far better cleavage by using your own skin, a push-up bra and either of two types of bra/breast enhancers in the B/C range. You will find the exact step by step method for achieving the effect in my Dear Jenelle section of the JenelleRose web site.
To make the most of what you have in makeup, put the Diva cleavage enhancer on with the closure in front, opposite a normal bra. The bra goes on after. One thing to look out for is that it does not show under your clothing, stick out or be obvious in any way, a hard thing to achieve but necessary.
The make up goes on between the breasts or cleavage. Starting with a darker shade of brown, not the darkest but a medium, brush this on right at the center, between the breasts. Next fan this, following the curves- out and up to be more natural and follow this with the Cover Girl directly on the inner part of the breast and up. You’re done but remember; less is more, especially in this case!
I don’t have a clue as to your skin tone, eye or hair color but I would say purple is not something you want to use to come anywhere near to passing as a girl unless you are very dark skinned. It is strictly for fun and should be used as such, in my opinion. You would be better, if you are any shade of fair, olive or rosy skin by sticking with two to four (3 is usually appropriate) of browns or earth tones. These go with most any eye and along with black or brown mascara and a brown or black liner, should be all you need. You can find these at any drug store for just a few dollars each. Cover Girl, Revlon, L’Oreal are all good brands. Sometimes you can find great buys at closeouts but watch what is available carefully.
I didn’t say anything about applying foundation, concealer, powder or any of that. Please see my makeup section for so much already there on doing your face. Also remember to use a proper skin care routine which includes a light moisturizer based on skin type and good eating habits.
Thanks for writing!
Jenelle
Rose
From:
ahsan
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 7:58 AM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: ahsanuddin01@yahoo.com
hay h r u u r looking very beautiful
Thank you very much Ahsan!
Jenelle Rose
From:
Ladyg
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:38 AM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: (no subject)
my eyes are far apart i was wondering do you have any advice ( for plucking them to make my eyes look closer together please email me soon ) thank you
Make up is the biggest consideration. Plucking is a whole other subject. I have much already in the Advice/makeup sections on both.
In essence, you want to avoid the uni-brow, keep brows for the most part thicker but not too long, rather than narrow; a somewhat high arch is usually preferred but not always, wear the same shade on your brows as your natural hair, never pluck from the top, tweeze only one hair at a time with a good tweezers like a Tweezerman’s and always follow your brow bone.
Good brows frame the face. Do not paint them on. Use shadow with a brush or a pencil, applying with short strokes, narrowing to the tip and use the handle of the brush to determine the length of the brow, its apex and its starting point by aligning between your nose and eyes.
Most males’ eyes are not only not as open as most women’s, their lashes are not as long and their brow hair is more course.
Brows take a lot of maintenance and I would recommend starting out at a shop who can do it professionally for you first and then keep them maintained every time you apply makeup or every couple of days.
As for the eyes themselves, this is where it gets fun. Lighter, inner eyes are almost always called for but you can play with the lash line and other means to create more open eyes, and for the needs of your question. It has less to do with your brows than your question seems to be asking.
Jenelle
Rose
From:
Jim
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:55 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: like your photos
got any 2003 and 2005 pix?
Hi my name is Jim and I just perused your photo album. I like it
Jim
Thanks Jim. Glad you perused and liked it.
Look around for those others. They are all there.
Jenelle Rose
From:
Joe
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:26 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: I find your article very interesting as I am considering doing
it
Jenelle,
I am 55 years old and my biggest and most wanted desire is to take hormones and experience a life of a woman with the hormonal changes and the feelings that a woman goes through. I am not wanting to do this because of sexual reasons although the thought of making love to a man with my breasts being sucked and going through sex with the emotional feelings of a woman excites me, should I abandon any thought of doing this life ending experience that I would consider the ultimate. Please advise me as I respect what you are saying…
I would like to more than anything else
Joe,
As I understand it, you want to take hormones but stay a guy?
I have to tell you that most women do not want their boyfriends to have breasts. Have you considered complications like being in a men’s dressing room or taking a shower after a workout at a gym (or doing exercises with breasts – they DO get in the way, lol and you will be a bit weaker in upper arm strength, have a different body distribution pattern and so on) or how you would manage getting away with breasts at work or doing other things as a man?
I heard a funny story about a guy with breasts who got caught in the rain. You will have to be careful about how you dress. How would you take something like that happening? In case you don’t realize a couple of things, hormones with eventually make you not able to have an erection, at least not without some help from medicines and women will consider you a woman and your choices will be very much less with any hetero woman, especially in your case as you would be sitting on a fence, in-between two genders. There are many problems with doing what you are considering. Think about it, please.
There is also the fact that you will probably only grow to a cup size smaller than a GG, meaning a size A, not very big-that is a one inch difference between your band size and nipple.
I am not the ordinary. I have B’s and am still growing; my endocrinologist hadn’t seen anything like me and thinks I will be at least a natural C cup eventually.
I just had my first mammogram with the story about that elsewhere on the Jenellerose web site. There are TS’s on hormones for five years and they still have nothing at all; these are the ones who have to get implants, if they want breasts.
For bra cup, measure under your breasts, add 5 inches or only three if you are over 33” and then subtract the measurement that goes around your nipple. 1”=A, 2”=B, #’=C, etc. Most natural women as stated above will grow to a B, some to an A and there are a lot of women who get implants and love them but there are risks and many issues to consider about that for they cost a lot, can get hard, rupture, are not as soft as natural breasts and have to be replaced at 10 to 12 year intervals.
Jenelle Rose
From:
Suzie
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 1:28 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: register
i love your pages..been at your page & i love it. keep me updated
you look so pretty. i am a crossdresser & have been doing it for about 20 years. i have a very supportive with that loves it when i dress up as Suzie. i am working on a web page. you look fantastic honey.
Love Ya, Suzie
Will keep you updated Suzie! Take a look now and return again often, as I am making some changes, updates and additions.
Jenelle Rose
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:04 AM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: Data posted to http://jenellerose.com/feedback form
MessageType: Praise
Subject: (Other)
Username: karthik
Comments:
i have seen ur photos i liked u r so hot
i fell in love with u like anything if u agree i want to marry u please accept my
wish
Thank you for the lovely note and offer but alas, I am not interested at this time.
Thanks anyway and hope you stay a fan!
Jenelle Rose
From:
Tomasz
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:02 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: register
Hi! I'm from Poland. Very, very good site.
Tom
Thank you. I have you registered. The site is being updated currently-new home page/navigation buttons that link directly to sections of pages and there will be many new features, article updates and so on. Thank you for writing!
Jenelle Rose
From:
Cindy
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 11:17 AM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: Looking for get away?
Looking
for a get away for a cross dresser, who thinking of going pos op, around New
England area. One that will let me be Cindy for the weekend when I can save some
money. Wife do not like the Idea, wife threaten a devorce, and my two girls do
not know.
If you have any places, please contact me or reply to this letter.
All alone
Cindy
The way I see it Cindy is you are no where near ready yet to go post-op! Follow the Dr. Benjamin Standards of Care (SOC) –get a therapist, use doctors’ supervision for starting hormones, getting yourself tested before hand, DO come out to all and be prepared to lose everything! Live as woman for at least a year, as per the SOC and you will see that is not easy transitioning with a lot of roadblocks, bumps, potential loss of job and even your family to consider.
Personally, I had little to lose, am in a good city with great health to follow my dreams, already had a great TG-aware therapist, have the best Endocrinologist you will find anywhere and a network of friends, not to mention this web site that has helped tremendously along the way.
It is hard, believe me but very doable and I have never been happier.
Please consider what the risks are and don’t wear blinders to all the potential hardship you can bring on yourself. It is a very real possibility unless everything goes just so with a LOT of hard work and mistakes made along the way.
I will tell you what I wrote someone else as for getting together with others like yourself.
Try going to gay clubs, drag shows and other such places but take someone with you and be very careful. Maybe go straight, in drab, not drag as you check these places out the first time. Always travel with someone and stay away from red-neck/country bars as they could pose more of a danger. Anywhere there is drinking and people who don’t get it are dangerous places to be or go to.
Be very careful, please. Chances are you will find a few people of like spirit to hang with like at someone’s home or a TG-friendly bar or restaurant.
Good luck!
Jenelle Rose
From:
Howard
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 12:52 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: OFFICE MODELLING PHOTOS
CONGRATULATIONS!
What a beautiful transformation you’ve taken on.
There’s more than a bit of Nicole Kidman showing
-and that ain’t at all bad.
I hope that you’re really happy with the you that
you’re becoming.
All the best
Ellen
Thank you Ellen for such a nice note! I will have to take another look at Nicole Kidman to see what you mean, lol.
I sincerely appreciate your comments and yes, I am very satisfied at how things are going; couldn’t be happier and I will try to keep my site updated with all the latest about me as well as being a resource to others.
I love being a woman!
Jenelle Rose
From: David
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 5:25 AM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: Web site - hi
I am David in London uk, like your web site, r u single?
Best Regards
David x
I am in the USA, single, lesbian and not looking. Thank you anyway, that's sweet.
Jenelle Rose
From: karim
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:46 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
bonjour je suis un homme j’aime bien les transsexuelle dans la vie
je suis karim 36ans 1m80 65kg yeux marron cheveux noir
je suis un homme cool dans la vie même sympa
karimdk1969@hotmail.com
Translation:
hello I am a man I like the transsexual in the life I am Karim 36ans1m80 65kg eyes chestnut hair black I am a cool man in the even sympathetic life
Thanks for writing Karim. Not sure there is a question in there but glad you are on board!
Good luck!
Jenelle Rose
From: Chryss
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 11:26 AM
To: Vanity Club
> Women are the "weaker sex"? Yeah right
I knew that was completely false when I heard Carol Burnett's description of childbirth: "Giving birth is like taking your lower lip and forcing it over your head.."
I would have said that woman are the stronger sex simply for wearing heels on a daily basis for hours on end.
Love,
Lill
Thank you Chryss for the passing Womanhood along and to you Lilly for making the observation about women and heels. I had to do that the other day --spent a whole day in very high (3 ½” ) heel pumps as part of a suit and taking a side trip to the mall and walking to the point that my feet felt weak and wobbly, realizing, I am sure, that I looked more and more silly the longer I walked in them and there was no seating around to take a load off! I now know to take along alternative shoes for walking (!) whenever I go out in very high pumps. Anything less than 3 1/2" I have no problem with.
I really got a lot out of this and feel that there is so much I missed while growing up, not being a genetic girl.
Chryss, can I post this on my web site, Jenelle Rose?
Thank you,
Jenelle Rose
VC280
Subject: RE: VC: Womanhood
From:
gale g
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:20 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: coming out
Hello Jenelle : I would like to ask if you can tell where to find others like myself who would like to be together to have some time together and be able to get out of the closet??? I live in southeast wisconsin can you help me please. thanks gg
Hi Gale,
Have you tried googling the area where you want to meet to see if there is something like what you are looking for, already going on? Otherwise, I have step by step ways to start one on the Jenellerose web site. Try going to gay clubs, drag shows and other such places but take someone with you and be very careful. Maybe go straight, in drab, not drag as you check these places out the first time.
Always travel with someone and stay away from red-neck/country bars as they could pose more of a danger. Anywhere there is drinking and people who don’t get it are dangerous places to be or go to.
Be very careful, please. Chances are you will find a few people of like spirit to hang with like at someone’s home or a TG-friendly bar or restaurant.
Good luck to you,
Jenelle Rose
From: BRANDON
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:39 PM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: help on adams apple
i have one question: how do i hide my adams apple so i
dont get read when cding im new to this and i have a
preety big one and cant seem to figure out a way to
hide it please help
Brandon,
Thanks for writing. There are many reasons a male will not necessarily pass or get read. The more of these you can eliminate, the better off you will be in that department.
You mention the Adam's apple but there are also these considerations: broad shoulders, height and overall body size and weight, your walk, talk, voice, mannerisms, how you carry yourself, even your head and things like angles of your nose, your hips and the list goes on and on.
TS's will go for a trachea shave but that is extreme and may not be an acceptable course for many, especially cross dressers as there are risks with any surgery and this is no exception.
You have two options, wear clothing that covers the neck, specifically the apple and you can use turtle necks or scarves to manage this trick or makeup on which, is only effective if it is small to begin with and you say yours it is not.
If you try makeup, use the principle of light and dark. Lighter/highlighter brings objects to the fore and darker sends them back. To darken the Adam's apple, use bronzer or a light shade of shadow but realize that a side view will still give you away.
Unfortunately there are not a lot of options for you on this one.
Jenelle Rose
From: cathy
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 5:39 AM
To: jenelle@jenellerose.com
Subject: permission to link to site?
Hi Jenelle,
I'm writing to request permission to add a link to the page:
http://jenellerose.com/htmlpostings/darkside/ControllingtheUrge.htm
The link would be on my website for Crossdresser Support:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/cathytg/essays.htm
As you know, Karen Murphy's website is no longer online, so it's good that you have a version of her article.
In visiting your webpage I couldn't help but notice your poem. It's seems so sad. Yet your photos show that you are so beautiful! Maybe people worry too much about having a "relationship." Could it be that if we think we need someone to be happy, then we are guaranteeing unhappiness for ourselves? It's like God (or, if you prefer, the Universe) is saying, "oh you silly person. You think you need more than you have to be happy." So to teach us a lesson to appreciate what we do have, God doesn't give us this thing. It's really a good think and shows God's love for us--because it leads to our happiness :)
I'm sorry that you feel if people "tolerate, but don't accept" you. I believe there is a secret trick for this. As a general rule, I have found that others relate to us (1) according to how we relate to them (okay that is nothing new), and (2) according to how we relate to ourselves. It seems like you've had self esteem issues all your life.
Ones attitude towards oneself is so very important. If one feels happy, confident, and, most importantly, satisfied with one's relationship with God, then how others treat you is a minor concern.
As St. Francis said,:
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon...
grant that I may not so much seek...
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.
It's too bad you had an unpleasant experience at church. But again, a strong, grounded person us not overly upset by such things. Sometimes people can be such cruel bullies. But a bully only picks on someone
who se feelings will be hurt. As Jesus instucted his disciples, "If they persecute you in one place, go to the next." It doesn't have to be big deal. If it were me, I could easily pray for such a person.
Remember, anything that happens, even if it is a little unpleasant for a moment, God allows to happen to gently remind us of something.
Please forgive me for presuming so much :)
Cheers,
Cathy
Cathy, (chatty Cathy, lol?)
Hello hon.
Yes, you may link to the article but I prefer you link to it rather than copy it to another site, as that is the agreement I had with Karen who has given me the permission to post on my site. It would be nice if you would give the main site URL along with it-Jenellerose.com that serves the GLBT community at large.
I have moved on in several ways, relating to your comments about things you read on my web site but have not, as yet updated the site to reflect the feelings I am about to share with you.
The poem was written at a down point for me relating to the holiday season, my families and sometime society's